UK police confirm man mistakenly shot dead was Brazilian.
Report: People's Daily Online
The man mistakenly shot dead by London police hunting four bombers was Brazilian, police confirmed on Saturday.
Police have admitted they shot dead the wrong man on Friday as they combed London for four men after attempted bomb attacks on the city's transport system on Thursday.
A police spokesman named the dead man as Jean Charles de Menezes, a 27-year-old electrician who had been living in London for the last three years.
Brazilian media reported that Menezes was an electrician who had been legally living and working in England for the past three years. He originally came from the small city of Gonzaga, some 500 miles northeast of Sao Paulo in the state of Minas Gerais.
"He spoke English very well, and had permission to study and work there," Menezes' cousin Maria Alves told the O Globo Online Web site from her home in Sao Paulo.
Menezes' family was Roman Catholic. When asked if he had become Muslim in Britain, Agostino Ferreira Rosa, a policeman in Gonzaga said: "According to his family, he had nothing to do with Muslims or Islamism. He was Catholic ."
"There was no reason to think he was a terrorist ," Menezes' grandmother, Zilda Ambrosia de Figueiredo, told the Globo TV late Saturday. "He was very easygoing and very communicative with everybody. It's terrible what they have done to him."
In the light of above mentioned terrible and unfortunate event where an innocent person was mistakenly shot to death at point blank range by London Police; few questions came to my mind. I have posted them as Poll and invite healthy discussions and opinions from our users.
People are terrified, frustrated and living a so called "Trigger Happy" culture in London after the wake of terror bomb attacks in London bus and trains by Terrorists, the criminals... not Pakistanis, not Muslims.
I will leave my defination or terrorists and distinction between them and Muslim/Pakistani for another post. The question at hand is the following:
Which of the following is the mistake?
1: A Brazilian (non Muslim, non South Asian, non Arab) was shot dead... mistakenly.
As the news, reports and victim's defender suggests it seems like the mistake was why the Brazilian was killed? As if it would have been OK if it was an "as innocent as this Brazilian" innocent Pakistani, South-Asian, Muslim or Arab. The statement "There was no reason to think he was a terrorist, because he was Catholic and not Muslim" by the relative suggests that their problem is not why an innocent person was mistakenly shot but why a Catholic, or non-muslim, Brazilian was shot. The government of Brazil have asked for investigation and answers on how and why did it happen. My question... would they have asked the same if it was non-Brazilian innocent person? even more if it was a Muslim innocent person?
2: An innocent person (regardless of his race, color, or religious belief was shot dead... mistakenly.
Contrary to popular belief and concern of majority (as suggested in news/reports and by relatives) the mistake is that an innocent Human being was shot dead in the fear, frustration and anxiety of London Police. It is equally wrong and a sad incident that an innocent person had to suffer with his life regardless of his race, color, culture, background or religion. People all over the world should condemn and inquire about this tragedy as if it was one of their own. If anyone is suggesting or implying that it would have been OK or a lesser of a mistake if it was an innocent Muslim, Pakistani, South Asian or Middle Eastern then all they are doing is throwing more fuel to the fire. Spreading haterate, adding to the fear and frustration, sparking anger and simply being wrong.
Now you have read my questions with detail, I request that you cast your vote and also post your own comment.
At this point I'd also like to clear few things on my behalf and of this forum. Terror attacks, mass murders, suicidal attacks, or any such kind of criminal activities... regardless of any cause, reason or believe... are absolutely condemned and not supported on this forum, by the administration or the users. ApnaForum has strict policies regarding haterate, religious (any) extremism, and criminal activities. Such posts and comments will be immidiately deleted and/or will be reported to proper authorities (if required) and the poster's membership to ApnaForum will be subject to cancellation. ApnaForum beleives in Peaceful and non-violant solutions to any problem.
It is sad indeed to know hat an innocent guy was shot dead, regardless to any race and religion. But try to understand that London has been through a hell, those 4 bomb blasts, you were not there to witness it, I were there. Perhaps u did’nt see the people getting injured…burned beyond recognition….legs or arm blown off….dead bodies. I saw all that kioas.
All those passengers never even thought for a second that in a minute the guy next to me will be a dead man lying next to me and I will not have a leg or an arm… or perhaps a face to show to the world.
What is happening now is just a reaction to that action!
The police is now over-conscious of the surrounding, and it is a natural response.
They just want peace in the country back. People in London are not bad at all. I mean I spent 16 years there, and I think I have a right to judge them. This place is a second home to me. And it irritates me thinking that some sick-minded people are bombing that place. I regret that too.
And I regret the killing of this innocent man too, but what is done is done.
You can’t change anything now. What you can change is the policy of shoot to kill, which unfortunately the commissioner of police Ian Blair has defended.
This policy will take them nowhere except kill more innocent and more regrets.
They should change it back to shoot to stop but not kill.
Now they are terrorizing the people living in London, and nothing is being done about it.
Terror will take you nowhere, only more hatered will be generated among the people living together. And dafinately, this can and is not a part that Islam preaches.
The saddest part is that somewhere in the line, unfortunately an extremist is involved. And I regret writing it that extremist is mostly a MUSLIM.
These 4 escape goat that they found, nobody calls them Pak-landi or a Jumaikan, they are only known as “ MUSLIMS’’. And that really hurts.
With the policy of shoot to kill will take the police nowhere except more innocent blood will spill on their hands. More innocent lives will be lost. Which eventually will create a bad impression of government in front of a public.
In the end of the day, Muslims get more bashing.
You know that, & I know that this has got nothing to do with Islam, who breed these people who later on become extremists?
Islam teaches us the control….on yourself, emotions, love, anger and hatered.
Unfortunately, what these extremists don’t realize is that the Holy Quran was written in a passage of 23 years. And, during that era, many wars against kuffar / non-believers were held. God gave the guideline how to deal with them at that time of the wars.
These sick extremists twist the brains of the young generations suggesting that do as is told in Holy Quran. And therefore, we see these loop holes.
Plus the few foriegn policies of USA and the lap-dog government of UK following it, has also played a big role in creating more twists to the minds of the extremists.
“Every action has a reaction”. And this is what we are seeing now.
People will get scared seeing a police cop near by, and would panic and this will cause a suspicion in the cop’s mind. They will tell them to stop, the innocent guy will be nervous and refuse and will be shot dead at point blank. And to cover-up, the cops would give every excuse to defend the shooing and a big “SORRY” to the dead man’s family.
And the life goes go, but it is not enough, someone has to sort the things out. What we should do is to watch closely, our brothers, husbands and sons. And make sure that they don’t get into the circle of these sick twisted mind mullahs.
We should teach our new generation to distinguish b/w Islam and twisted version of religion that these mullahs have generated.
Only then the hormeny and peace will be achieved.
_________________ PEACE AND BLEESINGS TO ALL THE CREATURES OF THE WORLD.
DOCARABIA
Hmm well..
I read your post but I m kind of confused as always..
I don't get what u mean by which one is a mistake... if u cud clear that part for me?
Quote:
I regret the killing of this innocent man too, but what is done is done.
You can’t change anything now. What you can change is the policy of shoot to kill, which unfortunately the commissioner of police Ian Blair has defended.
This policy will take them nowhere except kill more innocent and more regrets.
They should change it back to shoot to stop but not kill
Yeah I agree with you ..
But abt the post itself.. well I think it wouldn't have been such a big deal if it was a pakistani/Muslim or Arab ... Its just that they've accidentally shot a Non-Muslim/non-Arab guy.. so thats why they are making an issue out of it.. Sad enough, This article proves it..
Quote:
According to his family, he had nothing to do with Muslims or Islamism. He was Catholic ."
"There was no reason to think he was a terrorist ," Menezes' grandmother
man thats just sad!! Im pissed..I dun think there's anything else that needs to be said.. the only mistake they've made is that they spoke out the truth!!
_________________ "My opinions might change with time, but the fact that I AM ALWAYS RIGHT stays the same.."
I regret the killing of this innocent man too, but what is done is done.
You can’t change anything now. What you can change is the policy of shoot to kill, which unfortunately the commissioner of police Ian Blair has defended.
This policy will take them nowhere except kill more innocent and more regrets.
They should change it back to shoot to stop but not kill
THNX 4 READING & ASKIN' 4 EXPLAINAION, LET ME REPHRAISE IT 4 U:
WHATI REGET THE KILLING OF THE INNOCENT MAN TOO, BUT WE CAN'T MAKE HIM COME BACK.THEREFORE, U CAN'T CHANGE WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
BUT U CAN CHANGE THE POLICY.
FLASH BACK: THE POLICY IN ENGLAND WAS IF A CRIMINAL IS TRYING TO RUN AWAY, COPS USE TO SHOOT IN THE LEG, SO HE CAN'T RUN AWAY.
MEANING THE POLICY WAS:
"SHOOT ONLY TO STOP THE CRIMINAL FROM RUNNING AWAY "
BUT SINCE 7/7 LONDON TUBE STAION BOMBING, THIS POLICY HAS BEEN CHANGED.
NOW IT IS CHANGED TO "SHOOT FIRST AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER. THEREFORE, IT IS SHOOT TO KILL".
WHICH THE COMMISIONER IS PERSISTING TO KEEP, AND COZ' OF THIS POLICY, COPS R' GOING TO KILL LOTS OF INNOCENT PPL ON HEIR FIRST INSTINCT AND LATER SAY "OOOPPPPSSSS, GOT THE WRONG GUY"
THIS IS EXECTLY, WHAT HAS HAPPENED THIS TIME.
THEY SHOT AN INNOCENT MAN, INSTEAD OF A TERRORIST.
IF THE POLICY WOULD HAVE NOT CHANGED TO " SHOOT TO KILL" AND WOULD HAVE STAYED "SHOOT TO STOP". THIS BRAZILIAN GUY WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT IN THE LEG ONLY AND WOULD HAVE BEEN ALIVE. AND LET'S NOT FORGET SUEING THE COPS FOR SHOOTING AN INNOCENT MAN.
WITH THIS POLICY, WE CAN ONLY EXPECT MORE INNOCENT DYING AND MORE REGRETS COMING FROM THE COPS ON REGULAR BASIS.
_________________ PEACE AND BLEESINGS TO ALL THE CREATURES OF THE WORLD.
DOCARABIA
It'z a sad news indeed...
but I wonder, If a Christian is not safe in England..
then wat cud possibily be happed to Muslims ??
Mulims shud be very careful abot ....
May Allah keep All muslims save from enemies of Islaam & humanity...
Amin
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